This was several years ago, so my recollection isnt as detailed. Viberg 2020 8.5 GYW: Kinda snug, had to stretch out the instep, slightly smaller than the stitchdown version. Take your size in any standard UK shoe (Cheaney, crockett, loake, alfred Sargent, churchs) and add half a size. Particularly I struggle with the heel which I find very wide with most English makers. Personally, I like their lasts quite a bit. I am surprised that you didnt cover Italian brands in more detail given their popularity. 5. Good point about Allen Edmonds. But its a not a secret that English brands, in general (this for example does not go for the premium brands) use less good leather soles than Spanish and Italian makers of welted shoes, in general. Im starting to wonder if the differential is worth it. Somehow lower instep than E? 8UK was much too loose. Feel free to include any additional information about your feet, such as: Specific circumferential measurements (as requested by Bakers, Russell Moccasin, etc). So much so, that one of the heels fell off during normal use. Something to keep in mind. Carmina shoes have better soles than the Meermin shoes. MP/Barrie 9.5E: Excellent fit right out of the box with thick or thin socks. I have wide feet (I wear 8EEE on the 65 last in Allen Edmonds) so almost none of the regular lasts fit me, except for Forest 7.5EEE. The last of their chukka didnt fit me, but the suede felt surprisingly good for the price. Snug in the forefoot and toebox but not tight. Thanks a lot Simon. Former Affiliate Vendor Threads; a Locked Forum. As Im a women who is looking for well made leather shoes, I have even smaller heels than the male feet in comparison to feet length. Are morjas using leather or plastic heel stiffeners? I would also add that instead of trying to prove potential readers wrong, you might accept criticism gracefully and might have more success by doing more research and improving your writing. The toe length isn't excessive either. Spoo coming through with a great thread. I would also like to mention that apart from PS, I also read Jesper Ingevaldsson, who was featured in this article, (www.shoegazing.com) and Justin FitzPatrick (www.theshoesnobblog.com). 8 last 9D: Bad fit. It has a bigger heel and is slightly shorter than 2030, but not enough to warrant sizing up. Below that, there are smaller differences created by new entrants to the market. Barrie: 10D (I might be able to pull 9.5 with thin socks), 9.5 E, Tuesday split toe boots (no last name): 9.5, Borneo: 42 EU (snug fit with plenty room for toe to wiggle with medium socks), Kujang: 42.5 EU (snug fit with medium socks), 325: 9.5 UK (had to re-purchase just to recall my size), 365: 9 UK (snug with medium socks, would probably be clown looking if I went 9.5, but who knows), Military: 44 EU (had to throw thick socks for this, but no way I could pull 43, the weirdest fitting last Ive ever had), 4497: 9.5 UK fitting 6 (could probably pull 9 UK or same size but 5 fitting instead), 2020: 9.5 (with medium socks it fit snug). It will be creeping in going forward too, whenever it makes sense. second chance thread), Carmina Green Shell Cordovan Frankenstitch Captoe Jumper Boot 10.5eee(uk) detroit last, RM Williams Comfort Craftsman or Carmina (Rain Last) Chelsea, *SOLD* Carmina Bourbon Shell Cordovan NST boot 8UK Forest last, Alden Color 4 Shell Cordovan Chukkas - Barrie last size 10 D, Alden x Leffot Saddle Shoe - Unglazed Cigar Shell Cordovan and Snuff Suede - 8D Barrie Last. Great Stone Alexander 8.5D: Mostly great fit but too much heel slippage. I dont think either has changed in their quality, no. Put simply, if you pay 250 for a shoe you cannot get 500 quality. Why not economical or cost effective or something else which has more neutral/positive connotation unlike cheap. Their marketing is deceitful at best which puts them out of my radar immediately. You might also care more with a dress oxford than a casual loafer. Avoid if you have a low instep or wide feet. I do know and enjoy your blog, lots of useful information! It was a hard break in, mostly just the arch. But they are still good value for money. me, Morjas and Skolyx have been better in that regard. Cork/insole filling will also compress. Although Meermins have great shoe soles, the truth is that Carminas are just much better.MEERMIN SHOE SOLES. This separates footwear from most of fashion and it feels good to support the companies that work towards this. Regarding AE, theres certainly been a change since their most recent acquisition in 2017. For the brands mentioned in this article, everyone uses split suedes, except Carmina and TLB Mallorca (C&J mainly have splits for Benchgrade, while they use reverse calf for Handgrade). Try Saphir Shoe-Eze, it actually works. They didn't gave Detroit EEE in stock so I couldn't try it. Being cheaper is an objective description of price. It's a reasonably generous last. Rancourt 800 9D: Great fit. Simon, I was wondering what are your thoughts on Sanders. C&J have been my staple for more than 20 years, and I find that their 348 and 341 last feel like old friend straight our of the box. With Carmina you can get a more refined shoe - closed-channel stitching, a more bevelled waist and so on. Were not aiming to cover the whole market here, by a long way the focus is on cheaper shoes that we would never normally cover on Permanent Style, really below 300. Alden Plaza 9.5D: One of best fitting lasts, feels great. I recommend .5 down and just accepting that it is a wide pattern. But Carmina say they dont use them even though Jesper was told they do. I dont really David the piece is deliberately written by someone else, not me, as its not an area I have that much experience with. Simon, I really appreciate the articles lately with a focus on quality at a more approachable price point. The main difference is that cheaper brands use split suede, where the hides have been split into two layers (sometimes even three, but thats mainly used for even cheaper shoes), while more expensive brands use reverse calf suede (where you have the full hide, and the flesh side is sanded). No one wants their sole to wear down quickly, but points like the shaped waist are more aesthetic, and its up to you whether you care about them. I feel much less tired in my feet after a long day, and if one have a bit problematic feet it will be an even bigger difference.. Although Carmina shoes are more expensive than Meermin shoes, there is so much value that you can get when you make that extra investment to get them. ", Spain 1: TLB, Yanko, Septieme Largeur and Andres Sendra. She tried Orbans but they were stiff as hell. Also worth noting, is that Ive never written about this on Shoegazing, it just came up in the discussion with Simon when we talked about differences. There are many brands in that segment, such as Joeworks or October Tenth, that I think might appeal to a fair number of PS readers. and a pair of natural CXL beefrolls were very loose I could slide right out of them. Carmina: one step down from C&J but higher quality than the others on the list. Ive decided to get a pair of loafers, which Id wear with flannels, chinos, dark denim and (occasionally) shorts. Over the course of the day they tend to pinch my toes rather than stretching to accommodate my feet, as my C&J and Weston do. Will it be in Spain 1 or Spain 2 in your list? If I may add to this discussion, i recently purchased a pair of burgundy penny loafers from morjas. The upper leather is stiff and prone to hard creases, but also a little thinner than other brands on this list which helps with comfort. To be honest, I wasnt impressed. F. E. F. Extra-wide. Press J to jump to the feed. My favourite pair of C&J have been back to the factory four times for refurbishment. RON 9: Terrible fit. Brilliant article I really enjoyed that . Thankfully, that isnt true of all high end companies that Ive experienced and, in general, I have found that the quality of the service matches that of the product. Carmina shoes are made with premium materials that are much superior to materials used for making Meermin shoes. Because my older Carmina heel stiffener are longer and substantial that the newer ones. So do only the toes get more room or is the hole shoe more roomier? From a comfort perspective these are unrivaled for the price, similar to how I have heard Baudoin & Lange described. Of course manufacturing anything is significantly cheaper in Spain than the UK so the Spanish manufacturers are off to a good start in that regard with labour costs. They are extremely comfortable and very good value in my opinion. It was a bit controversial, I remember some who felt pinpointed argued quite strongly against it. I would also recommend Thomas George Collection (based in Melbourne) and Crownhill Shoes (Spain), two quality brands who sit at the same price range of Morjas/Velasca and they do great bang for the bucket GW Shoes. 9.5D heel to ball, just a smidge under 9.5D on heel to toe. (Portuguese shoemaker) very lucky to have bought 8 pairs of EG at a big discount so my shoe cupboard is overflowing and needs to be trimmed now Should fit most people TTS. I am asking because this difference has never really been clear to me. Im not sure what you have to back up that this wouldnt be the case? (And btw, do you know anything about the quality of this Kingsman line they sell on Mr. Besides a very enthusiastic and engaging chap in the Jermyn Street store, whose name I have forgotten, they could do with taking lessons from the brands mentioned in this post. MASSIVE. How to measure your feet. https://eu.jmweston.com/en/collections/bottines-homme/products/edouard-chukka-boot-homme-cuir-veau-velours-marron-fonce, Thats certainly a risk with some French brands, but not usually with Weston. Hugs my foot like a glove on all sides, including the arch, but I wouldn't mind if the heel was a bit more snug. Now fits comfortably after a substantial break in. Would you have any insight into the quality of the GC ready to wear versus C&J handgrade please? Any feedback from you on this brand. The quotes throughout are his. Some of the shoes on sale are factory seconds and its not something they outrightly advertise. They wear down quickly." Meermin shoes are highly trendy and fashionable shoes. No issues on 5+ hour rides. Snug toe box, foot extends past footbed on sides, narrow waist causes significant bowing. Sendra is a factory that makes for a lot of cheaper start-ups, because theyre so flexible and have no minimums. Either as a good value buy for one who is unwilling or unable spend more, or, as a gateway purchase into the world of fine mens shoes. Also Barkers at the 1880 price point are made in the UK. All one had to do is insert a sole liner, of wear thicker socks. Carminas are more expensive than Meermin shoes. (I think I prefer the darker colour of the first). Common Projects Achilles and Bball: 43 are some of my best fitting shoes, especially the Bballs that have a little more toe room. Decent fit all around and should break in nicely. Berwick has become very popular in recent years, particularly in Asia, Russia and elsewhere. Customers cant stop talking about Carminas. Rock Your Socks- show your sock, shoe & pant combos, *DROP 3/1* NWT $240 Ralph Lauren Purple Label Italian Made Navy Linen & Mulberry Silk Twill Neck Tie, * DROP 3/1 * NWT $225 Ralph Lauren Purple Label Italian Made Square Knit Solid Black Silk Neck Tie, R.M.Williams Comfort Craftsman Tobacco Suede UK 8.5 H. OGIO Golf Travel Bags The Royal Experience! Honest , relevant and informative. I might have very sensible feet but I wouldnt buy more mainline C&J. Interesting selection. Both these shoes are true to size, but Carminas are however more fitting and properly sized than the Meermin shoes. * **Thomas George Popes** 7.5UK quite snug, grips heel well but pinches the toes a bit. This is particularly true in the shoe market, given there are few designer brands spending big budgets on marketing and advertising. That point has been removed until it can be proved either way. Carmina shoes are more fashionable and elegant than the Meermin shoes. Might not be the same for everyone, but many who havent tried bespoke shoes would be very happy once they do, that Im quite sure off. To me, the leather feels similar to Carmina, though possibly even stiffer and more inflexible. Ive mostly moved to bespoke now due to my weird feet, but I do own a pair of Morjas suede chukkas that I use in bad weather. I was very impressed with the integrity of your website after reading IS THIS AN ADVERT? Allen Edmonds is perhaps most similar to Loake or Barker. Interesting ! Youre right, the second pair are a little more casual, but I think either would be OK and personally I prefer the shorter apron of the former. Rancourt 113 loafer: men's size 6D is pretty good Meermin Hiro derby: men's UK 4.5 wearable but the heel is . RUI 9: Great fit as I recall from trying in a store over a year ago. The 5th toe of my right foot has always been mildly adducted and overlapping the 4th toe. However, a really bright or unsual patina has never really been my style, and is becoming even less so. Carmina Shoes - Definitive Thread (reviews, advice, sizing, etc) - official thread. I purchased a pair of chocolate brown suede chukkas from AFPOS a number of years ago, and the suede is a beautiful colour and has maintained its nap really well. When I complained I was told The second pair is always better ! People need to understand that expensive shoes will always give you your best return over time, especially when theyre taken care of properly. #EasyLifeESMenBoots #DopeBoots #Meermin #CarminaBoots #ShellCordovanBoots #EasyLifeES #CasualMenBoots #MereminPlumMuseumCalf #Meerminbelts---ALL UB playlist-. There is one new Brand Lethato seen on different portals and I saw their boots are attractive and reasonably priced. And the soles are much more flexible too, more similar to a Blake stitched shoe than a Goodyear welted one. Any other leather I handled was absolutely fine! They look good, a bit more fashionable than the others, but I also cant say Ive worn them enough to really get a sense of their quality. Worth asking. Break-in was tough. Unfortunately almost all clothing has diminishing returns as you pay more, and thats certainly the case with shoes. Interesting to hear you sized up for Simpson when based on your description above you Could probably have stayed on an 8. Dress socks. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[580,400],'footslide_com-medrectangle-3','ezslot_13',107,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-footslide_com-medrectangle-3-0');Let us see what Carmina shoes and Meermin shoes look like at first glance: One of the most elegant shoes out there today is the Carmina shoes. Low instep fits me perfectly. Way too narrow and painful all around, last too tapered for my taste. Good article. Although it may be difficult to clearly see from the photos online, could I ask what you think of their the last/design of their chukka boots? There are many places out there that have discussions about shoe sizing across brands and lasts, but I wanted to get a thread started here as well. Well done for covering affordable RTW brands instead of bespoke that few will be able to consider. Yes, you certainly do notice the differences, and they are both of the quality type (unlike a shirt) and the making type (more like hand sewing). Trickers town shoes, especially the wonderful Belgrave adelaide, top any C&J shoe I have in terms of comfort and build. I bought AS through him when they were the best value for money in higher end shoes then moved to C&J on his advice. So if there is a middle man, its often the brand. Rafal hails from Poland and is a shoemaker who creates each pair of shoes by himself. Crownhill is decent stuff as well, especially the material level for the price is good. Im happy I earn enough now to not care about this market segment any longer. There arent many industries where youre so often buying direct from the maker, and having little additional costs along the way. With that said, the number of good bespoke shoemakers that will make sure to both deliver good fitting and very well-made shoes is still very high in the world. So for example, they now only curve the waist line on the inside of their shoe, and not the outside. Lets not forget also that a bespoke shoe with a fiddle-back waist and angled heels can also have an element of vanity (albeit smaller than a watch). Simon as always your articles are informative and an education. Thanks. The alternative is leather board read the rest of the article and youll see it. Its a smidge roomy, but I don't believe going an extra half down would have worked and I prefer boots to be worn with boot socks. Red Wing 23 9D: decent fit. Carmina shoes are stylish, fashionable, chic, and very good-looking. Most shoes that say theyre made in the Almansa area of Spain are made by Sendra.. Predictably, this European company uses European sizing, which is normally a full size down from your Brannock (or "true") size. "But at the same time, I do think you get better value now for a 200 shoe than you did 10 years ago, despite inflation, because theres so much more competition. Good plan. The Shell Cordovan, non-Alden Shoe and Boot Thread, Find reviews, recommendations, tips about and appreciation of fine cutlery here. No one see this though, its only for yourself. And all the time there are new makers trying to offer quality for a little less, for a saving of 50 perhaps - or trying to up their quality at the same price. Also I heard that they are actually trying to improve or change things constantly. Thanks for the informative post. Not sure I'd feel the same today. Cnes also has great hand-welted shoes too, about 350 I believe, which look a lot more expensive.. Id not have worn them in wet conditions though. It is a smidge shorter than 2030, but that's due to the lack of taper. Still pretty good value (it is the company I originally used before I could afford better) but not nearly as good as it was some time ago. Im not sure who and why the person you talked with from Barker said anything else, but a quick visit to their website or just a Google will you show you that he or her were wrong. Theyre both very big brands now.. You must log in or register to reply here. The other thing about Carmina is they have increased prices and reduced quality in some areas in recent years. Perhaps Alden, which usually has the option for lots of widths? In particular, if you're interested in this price bracket, check out his buyer's guide here. Still being worn with same sock thickness as the other Parkhurst last. You know what youre getting. Im always trying to promote Goodyear-welted shoes, but its not easy when someone has just tried Meermin, and thinks all proper shoes are that hard. Well Id imagine the aim is to make more money, given that some will know the Cleverley name and want to buy into it. I suppose they get away with it because the overwhelming majority of their customers arent that knowledgeable about shoes or leather quality. However, always be careful about brands that give the impression their leather is the same quality as the top makers. There is decent toe room in spite of how tapered the chisel last looks. G&G is easy. They are both leather lined with a full leather insole and both have a Goodyear welted single leather sole. I wear 9EE in AE (65 last) and want to try carminas. Former Affiliate Vendor Threads; a Locked Forum. But now I can confidently say this was the right choice and it is worth breaking that arch in to get fit and support of this level. The only running shoes for me. Here there the number of brands increases, particularly with start-ups. The manager gave me a significant discount for resoling them but, even after three decades as a loyal customer, I would be reluctant to buy from them again. I guess you get what you pay for but this level of quality for the leather should be mentioned. CJ or Alden or even something slightly lower end like Lof & Tung that is made more tastefully) and higher end makers (e.g. They last forever, but unfortunately they are even stiffer than Meermin shoes (really didnt like those), and take a year or two to wear in. Vanity may well be part of the explanation, its hard to say. I have a pair of 9D shell chukkas that fits well, but after 2 months still has a little heel slip. Please use this thread to list your sizing in various lasts compared to your Brannock size. Its an entirely stupid thing to say, not least because most of the leather used on the soles of English shoes are from European tanneries. At Styleforum, youll find rousing discussions that go beyond strings of emojis. It could be far more expensive than the cost of a single pair if theyre so much more comfortable as they are for you as it would make it harder to wear the shoes are own currently. I have found Robert (admittedly in sales, not specifically costumer service) to be accommodating in every respect; answering scores of questions over a months long decision making process. * **Vass P2** EU41.5 comfortable fit but too much toe volume and instep. Throughout this commentary from Jesper, its worth keeping in mind that some of the points are objective, some more subjective. Actually Im surprised Crownhill wasnt mentioned here, I thought they were quite popular. Parkhurst 18 Last 9D: Too narrow, should have gone TTS. Nice to hear your journey Joshua. The shoe comes on Meermin's Ama last, which is of a classic and elegant shape. It may not display this or other websites correctly. **. When you go to shoe shows like Micam, the Berwick stand is always the one that's crowded.. However about 5 years ago they reached some export deals with local retailers here in Canada and is sold here for over 500, where I used to get them shipped from England for 2-300. I have covered Vass and TLB Artista before. Eastman MiM Camp moc in CXL: 10.5D, took months to stretch but fit amazingly barefoot or with thin to medium thick socks now. Myrqvist, which we mentioned at the start, is one of these and uses fairly good raw materials - sourced from well-known tanneries like Du Puy in France. The next level of price is below 250. Hi Simon, you mentioned at the top that Carmina doesnt use plastic heel stiffener. For I appreciate that there are differences, I just care more about some differences than others. The level above that is made in Japan, and includes brands like Scotch Grain (above) and Otsuka, with brands like Miyagi Kogyo and Oriental on a level above that. When you login first time using a Social Login button, we collect your account public profile information shared by Social Login provider, based on your privacy settings. Brilliant. A lot of side to side play in the ankle. And its one of the few industries where youre likely to be buying direct from the manufacturer. Because of the great leather material of the Carminas, youll get yourself a pair of shoes that are bound to stand you out in the positive way.CARMINA LEATHER, Meermins, on the other hand, are made with premium leather materials ranging from hybrid calfskin leather materials to even Shell Cordovan leather.MEERMIN LEATHER. Looking at the Genova last. I ultimately gave up on mine. Carminas are more expensive than Meermins. Most brands in that price segment have fewer offers for you in terms of lasts. Bespoke obviously solves this but I dont care enough about the other elements you get and pay for with bespoke, or perhaps I just think 2k+ is too much and I suspect (hope?) What struck a cord for me is consistency of (most) english manufacturers. I wear the same size in rain shell as in xim unlined. They are amazing shoes. if I like a pair of suede Edward Greens chelseas and Meermin (or Allen Edmond or Loake) chelseas the same out of the box, would I enjoy the EG uppers longer because theyre of a higher grade suede? So lets see. Carminas are more expensive than Meermins. I can see a grey being useful, but that's about all probably. Certainly if I looked at them close up I could tell, and I could also tell if I was wearing them. So my true size is an 11.5, in most American boots I'm an 11, and all my boots with European sizing (like Tricker's) are a 10.5. For the price, Meermins are actually really good shoes.if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[336,280],'footslide_com-leader-2','ezslot_16',118,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-footslide_com-leader-2-0'); In the long run, Carmina shoes are better shoes than Meermins. Not having a physical shop makes a small difference, as does not selling wholesale or using an agent, but that doesnt translate to a shoe thats twice the quality. Related/unrelated, I find myself in flux style wise right now in the early stages of coming out of Covid. Very comfortable, heel is a smidge roomy, but overall an extremely comfortable last. Roomy toe box, heel is snug and hugs my foot all around. Some heel slip until broken in. Travel Shoes Poll: What shoes do you bring with you on short trips? You will find that most Meermin shoes are poorly finished when compared to the quality Goodyear Welting of the Carmina shoes. Alden Van (unlined shell): 10D, ended up selling before fully breaking in. Still fine for the price point, as this piece suggests, but the quality control is miserable. The shoes have a slim bevelled waist (stitched all the way to the heel), a close-cut heel and a leather heel stiffener. These should fit TTS for people with higher arches but this last is definitely not for me. Free shipping for many products! Carmina shoes are well-fitting shoes that grip your feet firmly on the go so that you get more balance and stability in your motions. C&J 341 - 9.5 UK. If you are in the market for a pair of elegant footwear, Id recommend for you duly consider buying the Carmina shoes. The close-channel stitching is also a plus, you know youre getting more handwork for the soles. These insoles are advanced comfort systems that are meant to keep your feet comfy and cozy all day. For what its worth Joshua, (with plenty of experience of both) I wouldnt necessarily consider C&J a step up from Trickers. Morjas is similar in having a cleaner make, and is a touch more expensive than the other two. JavaScript is disabled. I would agree that some change has happened since Stollenwerk sold the company to an investment fund, they seem to have gone into the greed and certainly for some cost cutting somewhere to make up for the handicap of making in the US. DESCRIPTION VIEW MODELS Forest is Carmina's most archetypal and early last. . Unlike tailoring where fashions and preferences can change over time, given your taste and understanding of fit also develops, shoes are mostly immune to change. I'd still stick with your usual 2030 size. I cant really comment Im afraid Sebastian, having never owned any. This is interesting my experience is the complete opposite. In that regard, let me plug TLB as a particularly sound value proposition. GC RTW are made by C&J so they are likely to be quite similar. What Id like to know is how much higher quality will the Trickers be over the Myrqvists? I started out with Allen Edmunds because they offer reasonably priced shoes (for Americans) with decent quality. Viberg 310E 8.5: Roomy in all directions but toe ball lines up with lowest part of the sprung toe forefoot and widest part of foot lines up with widest part of boot. To me, theyd come in just below C&J, Loding in Canada had a service (a couple years back) that involved a full time patina specialist in Montreal. Not sure I'd feel the same today. Bought before I understood my size. Switching to thin socks gives a very relaxed fit. This article, then, is an analysis of the market for mens dress shoes below the Crocketts Handgrade level - all informed by Jesper. Exactly!! Alden Aberdeen 9.5D: Great fit. Unlined Carmina loafers. The Santos shoes that I own are comparable in quality to my Carmina, Cheaney and C&J mainline shoes. I have given up after several wears as the blisters arent worth it. And it seems like, that level of service pervades the company. Cnes (above), for example, has been exhibiting in various fairs around Europe, looking for retailers, and is very nicely made, with a bevelled waist and otherwise refined make. G&G also have exceptional service in the store. 6.5D Carmina: 5.5: UK: Forest, Robert - 5.5UK: 6.5D Carmina Forest: 5.5: UK: 5.5UK with a smidge of heel slip: Leo 9.5E: Excellent fit with thin socks. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Anyone that gets these Carmina shoes for their wardrobe would be getting some of the best style statements of their lives. Initially caused rubbing on my goofy 5th toe and sometimes I still feel discomfort there after a long day with a lot of walking. And in pictures I can see a difference in appearance, at least in terms of shape and design, but I am not sure if there is much of a difference elsewhere (I get that bespoke and such will fit nicer). 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