[citation needed]. Privacy Noticeand Website Accessibility. In response to this announcement, the Great British Railways Transition Team is looking at changes to support the development of the new industry structure, and considering ways in which the current system can be simplified and improved. You are using an out of date browser. This includes transport, with the first Union Connectivity Review being published earlier this year. If only we were to see a coherent joined up livery scheme to run nationwide like the picture above , however I rather suspect this will not be the case. TL:DR - if your a british collector, and you paint your own, PUT THE STRIPPER DOWN. I wonder if you could make a hybrid of the two? Brunswick Green. Another Class 52, No.D1015 Western Champion was delivered in another, darker yellow/brown colour described as 'Golden Ochre', though somewhat different from that applied to D5579. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . One overarching brand, with sub brands sitting below it, for long distance services and regional brands all under the GBR moniker, much like we do today with Southern, South Eastern, South Western, Northern, etc. It'll be operated quite differently. After contacting GBRTT (Transition Team), I have been informed of their intention to create a new livery. I'm not convinced "InterCity" services warrant different branding now, as they are no longer of premium quality in terms of service provision; in many case they're just regional or commuter services (thinks XC and GWR in particular). 1948 -. With the reorganisation of British Railways in the mid-1960s, a complete break with the past was signalled by the introduction of a blue and grey livery which dominated all passenger rolling stock until the mid-1980s, when a new Intercity livery (dark grey and beige with a red and white waistband) was introduced along with a number of regional colour schemes. Corridor coaching stock was originally trialled in LNWR coach plum and off-white (nicknamed Plum and Spilt Milk) before Crimson (carmine red) and Cream livery (nicknamed Blood and Custard) was adopted across the network; non-corridor stock was painted plain Crimson. We need a sense of professionalism and togetherness, one branding brings that. Historic fact is that Roman Britain was England & Wales and the name Great Britain was adopted once Scotland joined, even though today we may refer of GB as just Britain. The smokebox, running plate, and running gear remained black, and the bufferbeam remained red. Every TfW station I've been to are still ATW-branded (in fact, Hereford yesterday). Rail alphabet had the advantage of being clear, legible and was pretty much consistently applied. [8], Class 501 train in Rail Blue calls at Harrow and Wealdstone, Class 416 train in British Rail blue/grey livery calls at Dalston Kingsland station. I might take an example railway station (I'm thinking Rugby) and design signage made for that specific station, to see how things could look practically Not convinced. However many people were not happy with the loss of the traditional "historic" regional colour schemes as used by the former private companies. Great British Railways ( GBR) is a planned state-owned public body that will oversee rail transport in Great Britain, [1] with the exception of Transport for London and Merseytravel services, and light rail and trams elsewhere in England. They were repainted into blue/grey in the early 1970s. 3 Apr 2022 . [14] After this date, the passenger versions of Class 37 and 47, as well as Class 50, were routinely outshopped in this livery. Launched as the London & South East Sector "Express Livery" this was a short-lived scheme which appeared on a limited amount of units and routes before the advent of Network SouthEast's "toothpaste" red white and blue striped livery. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; Im unsure about the livery as such, but if Great British Railways is taken forward, Id expect GBR to feature. The British Isles is a the collection of European islands consisting of Great Britain, the island of Ireland, Isle of Man and the northern islands that are part of Scotland. It's the name of the island ffs. Press J to jump to the feed. A High Speed Train power car (loco) and coach in InterCity swallow livery. Feb 1, 2020. The first break in the uniformity of Rail Blue came in 1976 with the introduction of the first InterCity 125 (HST). For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. | Page 23 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. Official Description. "Great" means "large", not "very good". Most of this nostalgia is from people who aren't old enough to remember just how rubbish latter day BR often was. [5][6], The new GBR organisation was proposed under the WilliamsShapps Rail Review,[7] which was published as a white paper on 20 May 2021. The rail system is a public service not an art gallery. We badly need that on the visual mess that is the railway. OK, it's not a big change, but Germany tends to do rebrandings very infrequently. Due to the consequent muddle of liveries, many trains began to get an untidy if not tatty appearance which added to the run-down image of the railway. Wrap yourself up in the flag and sing rule Brittania. I still think" Great British Railways" will be mostly likely be termed GBR, most of the time. [4] Normal passenger service franchise mechanisms were amended, transferring almost all revenue and cost risk to the government, effectively 'renationalising' those services temporarily. Unfortunately, there is little sign that Beattie actually intends to do anything differently, in this regard at least, to the Democratic Unionists he hopes to supplant. The 1948 trials brought LMS Class 5s, and GWR Kings and Castles in lined light green and lined blue, with incorrect suggestions that two different blues were used. All Class 42 "Warship" class diesels were delivered in green but some Class 52s were delivered in maroon to match the then-standard coaching stock livery. The Union Jack will represent. This may well take time to introduce and rollout but my suggestion is as follows. But do you think Queen Nicola would accept trains branded as "Rail England" coming across the border? A number of sets of coaching stock and a handful of locomotives received the livery, as well as most new multiple units and some existing ones. The signs look good, if a bit bland and functional. Do you think we should use different colours for regions like we sort of have now, https://twitter.com/_doublearrow/status/1455113527954493474/photo/1. Also, like I said, it's possible that they legally can't call it BR. GBR is currently running a competition to find a town or city outside London to host its headquarters. In terms of changing the background colour - I was going to go with a navy blue, but then it wouldn't integrate with any part of the design system I had in my head, so I opted not to. The red stripe does work, very similar to what the Welsh are doing. One of the worst liveries they ever carried, never seen a HST look so poor. But then every time I look at a train, I'll think of a bus. Why not capitalize on it? They are an intercity operator. Messages: 1,398. [13] Initially new locos were still painted in the traditional Rail Blue livery, but starting with Class 56 number 56084 the new Large Logo version was standard on new locos delivered to BR. The iconic London and North Eastern Railway brand - better known as LNER - looks set to be withdrawn again. GW 1 1 Great British Railways [3] Goods (freight) services are operated by a number of companies, the descendants of those created during the 1990s privatisation. The text won't be centred vertically with the logo. Goodbye. One hallmark of the Governments approach to the constitutional struggle to hold the United Kingdom together has been a recognition that pro-Union policy is not simply a matter for a single department: it needs to run throughout the business of the State. JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. [17] This livery is also often nicknamed 'toothpaste livery' by rail enthusiasts due to the multicoloured stripes resembling striped toothpaste. Search for a trade mark - Intellectual Property Office (ipo.gov.uk), https://twitter.com/MrTimDunn/status/912009372292780033, Somewhere along the West Anglia Main Line. It may not display this or other websites correctly. I quite like that version; I think I might like it even more if the black and the red were blue instead though. It may not display this or other websites correctly. This page was last edited on 28 January 2023, at 18:28. particularly associated with the depots at Old Oak Common and I am confident I could design a better package in a few hours, and I am not a design professional. Great British Railways marks a new era in the history of our railways. Why do most people go for a car that is mostly all one single colour. Anyone got a suggestion for the government's latest bright idea today along the same lines, '. Avanti merged with LNWR to form a GNWR brand. [4] One locomotive, Class 47 No.D1733, was painted to match the coaching stock. It's not going to be called Rail England and if it was, there'd be nothing "Queen Nicola" could do about it. Once we lose TOC branding I certainly think service categories need to return, if only on the Dutch basis of them only describing service patterns rather than anything else. If they're bothered about 'red white and blue" then just stick the double arrow in a white background and give it a blue border. And although BR did changes, it was still the same basic livery really. Despite the InterCity brand having been introduced in 1966, in 1985 the word 'Executive' was dropped and the livery was applied to all coaches and many locomotives used on InterCity services. Then theres the question of livery. [5] As Rail Blue was introduced, the last locomotive recorded as being outshopped in a previous livery was Class 43 D838 Rapid which left Swindon Works in August 1968 in maroon. Home Forums A throwback to the 70s and 80s can sometimes work, but not often, but I think. This colour was applied to all diesel and electric locomotives, with the exception of the ends, which were painted yellow to improve visibility, and the underframes and buffer beams which were painted black; the paints being to BSS 2660-0.003 and BSS 2660-9.103 respectively. A later version made minor changes to the livery, the main one of which was to darken the main shade of blue used. There'll no doubt be someone on here who knows, one way or the other. The FT reports: The reforms will still allow private companies to run services but they will instead work under a more prescriptive management contract, similar to the system in place on the London Overground.. Yes i like it, very clean and professional looking. That's what happens when small-minded people look back on a classic that was before their time with a warped sense of populism. The BR that believed in having multiple liveries and brands? At present, train operators get to decorate their rolling stock in their own colours. This grey panel finished just short of the end of the coach leaving a small amount of Rail Blue which then continued round onto the end of the coach. Withdrawn 01001 is just visible at the rear. I'll give you an opportunity to make up a better more modern scheme then. So even if that doesn't become the actual 'GBR' logo it will likely see some use on stations and maybe trains. European paint code RAL5020 ("Ocean Blue") is a good match to Rail Blue. Well Id have thought it might be GBR Northern or GBR Southern. "Great" means "large", not "very good". The distinctive angular shape of the HST power cars did not lend itself to applying yellow on the leading face, so the yellow was wrapped around and extended along the side of each power car, although the coaches retained the usual Rail Blue coaching stock livery. [15], Originally scheduled for May 2022,[14] a shortlist consisting Birmingham, Crewe, Derby, Doncaster, Newcastle upon Tyne, and York was announced in July 2022,[16] using the following criteria: alignment with "levelling up" objectives; connected and easy to get to; opportunities for GBR; railway heritage and links to the network; value for money; and public support. Other examples are available Once they'd ditched single colour liveries, they didn't really do anything that wasn't ", One can only hope for a Sectorised return to NSE. I suspect not many. There have also been subtle font changes. Underneath that in a smaller font, about half the height of the space between the botton track and the bottom of the arrow "Operated by [whomever] for Great British Railways". GBR will absorb Network Rail, although overall strategic direction on infrastructure investment and fares strategy will remain with government. And it that light it is intriguing that Ministers have decided to take a step back towards a national rail network with the launch of Great British Railways (GBR). It's the name of the island ffs. Recognising this, the Plan for Rail recommended the development of a 30-year strategy to determine how best the railways can support Britain in the future. In 1978 the British Railways Board began planning a new livery for the future, and in that August Class 56 diesel locomotive 56036 was painted to test a modified livery[11][12] of all-over Rail Blue with the entire loco front in bright yellow to improve visibility, this extending down the sides of the loco to the rear of the cab windows which were, in turn, outlined in black. One thing that might work, though, would be to drop the full text from the red band and just have a subtle double arrow on the right hand side in that. This is "straight out of 1975": I'm inclined to disagree there. Bland, cheap, unimaginative. British Railways was formed in 1948, it was divided into geographical regions loosely based on the pre-war Big Four company areas, Scotland became a region on its own and the former LNER area was divided into North Eastern and Eastern Regions. In which case, why do car manufacturers put effort (and substantial amounts of money!) Question for the designers. Can you only be professional if every rail person works in the same uniform? Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; Heh. Scottish rolling stock not covered by the ScotRail livery (generally those on secondary services) received the Regional Railways livery, but with "ScotRail" branding. It would appear that were going to be waiting a while even for the new logo, and that given the recent nature of the franchise liveries, that new liveries are a very long way off. As built it was a sort of purplish-red stripe with a lighter red shadow, then this changed to solid red in the late 90s/early 2000s. Clean, modern, easy to read, looks good and in the right colour set. In October 2021, the Secretary of State for Transport announced a competition to find a location for the headquarters of Great British Railways outside of London. Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. It does because it's public perception. More middle days; they were improving quite a bit in the 1990s. Roofs were Dark Grey and underframes originally brown, but later black. It will replace Network Rail as the operator of rail infrastructure across all of Great Britain (excluding some Valley Lines in Wales and some Merseyrail lines). This competition aimed to identify a place with a rich railway heritage, strong links to the national network and significant public support, while creating a great opportunity to promote the location as the proud home for the start of a new era in Britains railways. There's rather a lot to list if you want to do it completely! Rail Express Systems was the sector of British Rail responsible for transport of mail and parcels traffic. The Southern Region types worked mostly on the Charing Cross / Cannon Street - Hastings via Battle / Dover and Ramsgate routes and on the Victoria / London Bridge - Brighton / Littlehampton / Hastings via Eastbourne routes. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? RM 2A03J14 - Sittingbourne, Kent, UK. Which does what it says on the tin. https://twitter.com/MrTimDunn/status/912009372292780033. I have heard that the BR double arrows will remain in use due to the fact that in the UK everyone recognises it as the 'train station' symbol. Swiss style would be nice, British society & culture wouldn't allow this as we for example don't have direct democracy as in Switzerland this is a very good example of how it can work, credit to Dispatcher on the Stour on Twitter. The Class 309 units worked between Liverpool Street and Clacton, occasionally also to Ipswich and Norwich and later upon transfer saw the livery briefly appear around Manchester and Birmingham. This style of livery was also used by CSX Transportation. Due to the small number of units repainted it was common to see trains with two or more units in different liveries. [13], On 5 February 2022, the Department for Transport launched a public consultation for the location of GBRs headquarters. Great Northern split, with the Moorgate services becoming part of the London Overground brand and the Kings Lynn route becoming part of the LNER brand. the report stated that there would be some update to the double arrow, though not what that update would be. The livery comprised brown upper panels with a colour described variously as "biscuit" or "fawn" along the lower panels and separated by a broad orange band. The creation of Great British Railways (GBR) has been dubbed as the end to "a quarter-century of fragmentation" and a means to provide "accountable national leadership". [9][10] Several other Class 47 locomotives, some Class 31s, and even some DMU cabs, were subsequently also painted by Stratford with grey roofs, the variation becoming something of a trademark for the depot. Please can you explain the advantage of such a nationwide livery? They retained this livery for some years, before being painted in Rail Blue when that became the norm. If Scotland leaves the UK it must become British Rail as Britain is defined as just England & Wales! The new livery was used with the introduction of the Hastings Line electrification in 1986 to promote new electric trains on that line. Home Forums On the other hand Avanti's branding is awful - there is no "Italian flair" in it at all. This livery was known as Large Logo livery as each side of the locomotive was dominated by a full body height BR double arrow symbol, and had the loco number prominently displayed at twice the previous size. A livery, similar to ScotRail but with the upper dark grey bodyside replaced with a dark blue, was created. This error in colour identification comes from an article and question published in a Model Railway Magazine in the 1950s, where the responding editor made the error, and it has frequently been repeated since then. I personally like this Lion logo posted by Tim Dunn on twitter a few years ago, Not at all. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . And the more I see RA2 and its symbols, the more clumsy it looks. During 2020, in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic, all passenger train operating companies (TOCs) entered into Emergency Recovery Measures Agreements with the UK and Scottish Governments. Not too dissimilar to the old Northern logo arrangement. The British Isles in my old school geography books included the island of Ireland but I wouldn't have said that in my recent visit to the country! From 1974, some DMU sets, after being refurbished, were painted white with a wide blue band under the windows and full yellow ends. English regions, Scotland, and Wales will have their own variants, but these will still emphasise the national nature of GBR. I'm not aware - what are TfW doing? Originally a trading brand of the Railway Executive of the British Transport . Just like when a new TOC has taken on a franchise, the old TOC name gets removed and the new TOC name gets badged in top, like a big rectangular sticker. The purpose of this call for evidence was to develop an understanding of how much of the current and future market demand for freight could be met by rail, and the role rail can play in the nations supply chains. Agree, having at least 'intercity', 'regional' and 'metro' would be good. I reckon a simple logo like the one youve depicted will be what we see. Different NSE style local/commuter networks round the country. British Railways (BR), which from 1965 traded as British Rail, was a state-owned company that operated most of the overground rail transport in Great Britain from 1948 to 1997. No complaints really over the Rail Alphabet, I even like seeing it on old BR signage that still exists here and there. The British Rail Class 31 diesel locomotives, also known as the Brush Type 2 and previously as Class 30, were built by Brush Traction from 1957-62. I imagine the LNER and GWR branding will be around the longest, as its allready kind of govt created and most in line with DfT standards. Class 01 01002 inside Holyhead Breakwater shed in early black livery. The livery was carried on the rolling stock, but also on a number of locomotives which were dedicated to mail and parcels traffic, mainly of Classes 47 and 90. JavaScript is disabled. That's a different argument (which I disagee with but that's not for this thread). [4] This was referred to as the InterCity Executive livery as the sets used were dedicated to operating morning/evening services operated for businesspeople. It still has to look good decades from now. The coaches for the XP64 train were painted in a slightly lighter version of what would eventually become Rail Blue, with a 44-inch-wide (1,100mm) Pale Ivory stripe centred on the passenger windows, and brown underframe. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The devolved administrations, the combined authorities, and the Greater London Authority will continue to exercise their current powers, such as setting fares and awarding contracts, and will remain democratically accountable for this. though we may have to wait for a new govt for that to happen. This isn't true, there have been subtle changes. Something timeless. Of course it's possible to do better, but I'd argue there are bigger priorities as long as the signage is fit for purpose. He branded the Prime Minister an English nationalist, who was prepared to ignore Northern Ireland as the Conservatives have no electoral stake in the Province. The Great British Railways Transition Team (GBRTT) seeks to deliver the most ambitious changes to our railways in a generation, working with the government and across the rail sector. Several Class 31 locomotives received white waist stripes, these being It'll be operated quite differently. I tried going with the National Rail icon in the right hand side, but it was too small and nobody would notice it. True. [8] The review had been launched in September 2018 and was led by Keith Williams. Within a period of 10 years, HSTs had three different liveries. GBR is similar enough to channel some continuity with BR but distinct enough to admit it's a different entity. I'm working on building a GBR brand from the ground up for the next few days (my calendar is completely empty), starting with a logo. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. What is wrong with different routes and regions having different liveries? into flashy advertising campaigns, the appearance of the showrooms (and their digital counterpart, the website), and the styling of their vehicles? Then why was the old version called British Railways, not Great British Railways, and why the change now for the new version if British Railways worked . Its not as if they need the advertising, nor do their brands carry the historic and emotional heft that the famous schemes of the genuinely private railways did. Then why was the old version called British Railways, not Great British Railways, and why the change now for the new version if British Railways worked? The new British Rail "double arrow" symbol on locomotives (or leading vehicle as was the case on multiple unit stock) and the vehicle number and other ancillary markings written in the Rail Alphabet typeface were other integral parts of the livery. Great Britain is not a country; its a landmass. Now the charge of English nationalism is a tedious, largely Remainer trope that I have dealt with elsewhere. We will probably get something like this Shorthand and in general parlance yes, but Great British Railways will be a brand that the DfT will want to get out there sooner rather than later, even if it is just a vinyl on top of existing TOC names. What possible negatives are there to none enthusiasts? for some form of co-branding. London Midland (pre LNR), that was white on black but the same idea. The 4REP and 3/4TC EMUs were a notable oddity, initially receiving all-over Rail Blue despite being express corridor stock. We use cookies. Non-corridor coaching stock and other multiple units received all-over Rail Blue until about 1980, when most received the same blue/grey livery as corridor coaching stock. And if Northern are still running trains to Glasgow, a new paint job would be a great moment for the Government to stump up for good rolling stock. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Class 14s D9537 (in desert sand livery) and D9539 prepare a double-head a train on the Ribble Steam Railway. I think there would be huge advantages of a standard livery and branding across the Britain, in saving money and presenting a unified product to the customer. 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